[Texas Carom Club]

Thorsten the hitman

100 ball run in Straight Pool on a Bar Table! Took me two solid days to get this done. Do you think it’s easier or harder to run balls on a bar box compared to a 9 footer?



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[sjm]

Must assume we're not talking about the big cue ball here, as running balls is super-tough when the cue ball is bigger than the other balls.

Just once, perhaps about 12 years ago, a straight pool event was held on the bar tables during the Super Billiards Expo. I watched quite a it of it, and I'd have to say that the pros were running roughly the same number of balls on the bar tables as they customarily did on the nine footers. Pocketing was, of course, easier, but the congestion was a bit of an annoyance that was, at times, tricky to negotiate.

The eight footer is different, offering enough room that congestion is a much lesser issue than on a seven footer. When I've been watching, pros run far more balls on the eight footer than on the seven or nine footer.

All that said, there just isn't much to draw on here as pros so rarely play 14.1 on a seven footer.

[Texas Carom Club]

Playing it on all table sizes and conditions
, I find for me it's about the same difficulty on them all

Small table allows for more fun hero shots

Last night I was hooked after a break, had to kick to a ball to Carom an object ball off another into the side wasn't a gimme either
Lots of fun to be had

[mikemosconi]

I would think that you have to get the breaks down to the proper speed on the 7 footer that separates the balls without having them come back together too often. Depends on the particular 7 footer and how it plays. Most bar room 7 footers would never play well enough to allow 100 ball runs - just too slow and beat up to get enough separations over 7+ straight racks. the 7 footer in this video is more ideal for the 100 ball task- just look at the separation.

[wrldpro]

No doubt a 7ft table would be the hardest size to run balls on for sure. Ive never heard of any one running 200 on a 7ft. In the long run I think top players can run more racks of 9 ball than racks of straight pool on a 7ft. table.
The next hardest would be a 8ft. table. There is so much congestion in this small area. Only ever heard of 1 run over 300 on a 8ft. table which is Mosconis 526 and dont think he ran over 200 often as he would quit almost everytime he ran 100 and go to the next exhibition in another town.
The 9ft. table is most used and for sure the easiest size to run balls on.Where clusters are broke apart the balls almost never get into tough positions after that because the table has so much more room and almost never have to use a bridge.
The 10ft. table is the hardest as its not only bigger but harder to break apart clusters and a bridge is used more often.
Ive never run 100 on a bar table and tryed a few times where on a 9ft. table ive run over 100 balls about 700 times.

[mikemosconi]

I would agree that for a pro player the 9 foot table is the most ideal for 14.1. It affords the most ideal ball separation with ball pocketing distance well within a pro's capabilities. Those that claim an 8 footer is easier for 14.1 Hi runs need to consider the greater opportunity for congestion on an 8 foot table and the fact that almost all hi runs with good pattern play very rarely have long cut shots into the two corner pockets furthest from the rack. This negates the extra foot on the table length for the most part. The 10 footer, no doubt, certainly presents a greater ball pocketing challenge to all.

[evergruven]

Originally Posted by mikemosconi

I would agree that for a pro player the 9 foot table is the most ideal for 14.1. It affords the most ideal ball separation with ball pocketing distance well within a pro's capabilities. Those that claim an 8 footer is easier for 14.1 Hi runs need to consider the greater opportunity for congestion on an 8 foot table and the fact that almost all hi runs with good pattern play very rarely have long cut shots into the two corner pockets furthest from the rack. This negates the extra foot on the table length for the most part. The 10 footer, no doubt, certainly presents a greater ball pocketing challenge to all.

so a decent player can take advantage of the extra width on the big table
without (typically) having to deal with the disadvantage of extra length- I got that right?

don't mean to continue a big to-do re: schmidt's 626
but given this new (to me) perspective on table size
I wonder how willie's 526 would compare to js's 626
tho willie's smaller table had bigger pockets, or no?

[mikemosconi]

I guess we can all ask that question- why did John pick a 9 foot and not an 8 foot table? I believe he did go with the bigger pockets like on Moscon's 8 foot table. I think that John knew he had a better chance at the record on a 9 foot table with big pockets/ waxed balls/ fast cloth, etc. etc.

[Texas Carom Club]

and shaved slate too right?

[xradarx]

So, someone thinks that js is a decent player.

[mikemosconi]

Originally Posted by xradarx

So, someone thinks that js is a decent player.

Well, all we are talking about here is what size table is optional for 14.1 Hi Runs. Just using John's choice of a 9 foot as support for my own feelings that, indeed a 9 foot is the ideal 14.1 Hi Run table for a pro. John is a great pool player- no disputes here.

Of the 7 thru 10 foot size tables - I think most pros would choose the 9 foot to attempt any record HI Run. Just my opinion.

[xradarx]

same as cards, shooter's choice. Hi-run, a no-go. no takers, huh!

[djoverboard]

so Asked about practicing 14:1 on a 7 ft table on a FB forum because i bought a 7 ft during the quarantine. regardless of the standing of 626 John Schmidt responded with sevreal things. ..
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1) " U can play 14.1 on a bar box its kinda easy actually"

2) " funny thing is when you play 14.1 on a bar box you actually have to play more correct than even on a 9 ft or if you run into balls unnecessarily you're going to get tortured.

3)" that being said its still easier. in 10 innings on a diamond bar box i had three runs of 180 plus. If you play 14.1 correctly its easier on a bar box if you play incorrectly then maybe as hard as a 9 ft"

Now he my not be the end all authority but he is a world class player and serious student of 14.1

I have found i play a little stronger on my 7tf so far but then i'm playing more regularly.

I am consistent in running a rack or so and struggle with my end of rack patterns /position which i am focusing on and have yet to put 3 racks together

[Bob Jewett]

Originally Posted by djoverboard

s... John Schmidt responded with sevreal things. ...
3)" that being said its still easier. in 10 innings on a diamond bar box i had three runs of 180 plus. If you play 14.1 correctly its easier on a bar box if you play incorrectly then maybe as hard as a 9 ft" ...

I saw two of those 180-ball runs in person at BCA trade shows. One of them was on cloth that was camo or an eagle printed pattern or something like that. Both of the ones I saw were within the third try.

[xradarx]

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Please expound/elucidate: Playing 14.1 correctly on a bar table versus any other regulation table; Playing 14.1 incorrectly on a bar table; Very Interesting?