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06-12-2020, 12:34 AM

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You obviously have no experience with the ball returns on a Gold Crown.


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06-12-2020, 01:19 AM

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Is it that obvious?


Afraid so. A coin or bottle pea could never block a ball return rail. I would just fall straight through. I have a GCV just like you but with a ball return. Previous to that I had a GVIII with a ball return and the 2 other tables before that were drop pockets.




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06-12-2020, 08:38 AM

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Afraid so. A coin or bottle pea could never block a ball return rail. I would just fall straight through. I have a GCV just like you but with a ball return. Previous to that I had a GVIII with a ball return and the 2 other tables before that were drop pockets.




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Ok you got me, guilty as charged.

Havenít played on a Brunswick ball return in literally decades only Valley and Diamond bar boxes.

Still, I would be the person unlucky enough to get miscellaneous junk fall into a ball return and get stuck.

Honestly(!) playing on both BR and DP are fine by me. Iíd just rather have the DP for home.


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06-12-2020, 12:46 PM

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Ok you got me, guilty as charged.

Havenít played on a Brunswick ball return in literally decades only Valley and Diamond bar boxes.

Still, I would be the person unlucky enough to get miscellaneous junk fall into a ball return and get stuck.

Honestly(!) playing on both BR and DP are fine by me. Iíd just rather have the DP for home.


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My local hall has both and we mix and match during tournaments. I donít mind either. Although I do forget which one I am on and it never fails that my opponent retrieves 7 balls before it occurred to me that itís a drop pocket table.


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08-16-2020, 06:43 AM

Interesting first world problem thread...

Here's my own opinion, (not a room owner).

If presented with two options to play on. The first is BR the other is DP. The deciding criteria would be, 1) the condition of the balls designated for the table, 2) the condition of the table cloth and rails.

The point... I doubt anyone is going to put the non-game changing function of a BR table over a DP when things that make a difference are the main concern.

I say save the money and go DP. Use those saved funds to keep the tables in great shape and/or buy top tier balls.

I have never heard of anyone wanting to go to a particular hall because of BR.


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08-16-2020, 06:52 AM

So did the OP end up opening a pool hall 1.5 years later?
  
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08-16-2020, 07:25 AM

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So did the OP end up opening a pool hall 1.5 years later?
lol... I know it's an old thread

I just thought I could add some "player" perspective that hadn't been mentioned yet for someone else doing similar research.


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08-16-2020, 08:49 AM

If opening a new room, why not have some of each table and allow the customer to choose a table based on their preferences.


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08-16-2020, 09:10 AM

Both have good and bad. One pocket, drop pockets. 14.1 ball returns. (9 ball drop pockets).

If your a room owner, the table will get MORE play with ball returns, and of course, the counter will be called to get the chalk outta the gully's quite often on a Fri night.

The selection of drop pockets of top quality, has to be waaaaaaay more versatile than the ball returns.

If I had a home table with ball returns, that would be nice if I was just playing by myself and if I was short.

Ball returns are not that convenient for Tall people, I'm 6'6''. When I play in bar table events, I HAVE to get to my knees to dig balls outta the return, no way I'm bending over to do that.

Harder to cheat with drop pockets in one pocket.

Personal preference, but I prefer the newer drop pockets because the materials they use in the 21st century are Finally as good if not better than the Grey pockets of the early GC I's with ball returns. Softer and leave NO ball marks.


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08-16-2020, 11:12 AM

Just converted my GCIII to drop pockets.
Easy to walk around the table and throw balls out.
A proper drop pocket will hold 8 balls easily.


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08-17-2020, 07:05 AM

I'm still struggling with the notion that someone would refuse to play on a DP. So far the only advantage for BR is player time savings of what...?..., possibly 30sec a rack...?

I think I have played a handful of times on a BR table, and it usually costs me just as much time as a "manual" DP would realizing that I'm on a BR and I'm reaching into pockets feeling for something that's at the other end of the table...lol

So if we Pro/Con'd it....

Pro BR:
-time savings (although most places charge by the hour)
-???

Con BR:
-additional costs
-maintenance
-noise
-irritating based on game
-additional ball wear
-call overs by customers when it jams up and you're busy

DP:
-Take the top to categories and flip the pros with the cons

Seems like a complete no brainer to me. Why pay more for your equipment when the literally the only advantage is potentially getting your customers out the door sooner...lol


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08-18-2020, 04:16 AM

Thought I'd add this because I actually experience a 9ft BR Diamond last night. First time on a BR in easily 20yrs....

Right out of the gate, as I remembered, I managed to stick my hand into two pockets before realizing it was indeed a BR. About 5 racks in, I thought to myself..., "maybe there's something to having a BR". As I did find it very convenient when just swinging at balls. The at about the 6th rack I lost 'my' chalk down the side pocket.

I don't play with expensive chalk but I do wear them in, in my own special way. Losing it was very annoying. Think I'll stick with BD


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08-27-2020, 08:26 AM

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Ball return. When they get stuck itís usually because someone drops chalk into one of the pockets. 1 pocket is not the only game on the planet. Think about the rest of the games. 8 ball, nine ball? They benefit from ball returns. Only real advance I see from drop pockets is that if you are just shooting balls then you can throw them out from the pockets. Otherwise itís roll down all the way.


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08-28-2020, 02:27 AM

I wish I could play it more. Especially these days.


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09-11-2020, 08:30 AM

At the point when they stall out, it's normally on the grounds that somebody drops chalk into one of the pockets. 1 pocket isn't the main game on the planet. Consider the remainder of the games. 8 balls, nine-ball? They profit by ball returns. The main genuine development I see from drop pockets is that in the event that you are simply shooting balls, at that point you can toss them out from the pockets. Something else, it's moving down as far as possible.
  
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