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Smile What about a transparent cue ball, as a help to teach beginners, how to aim right? - 04-11-2014, 03:42 AM

To all of you who are already giving or gave some pool lessons to beginners:

When it comes to the theme of aiming right, there are some persons who misinterpreting and some even misunderstanding the 2 most common ways of explaining and showing, how to aim right!

- The "invisible" cueball right behind the object ball, on the same line toward pocket!

- A half ball away right behind the objectball in direction pocket!

Some are even using a laser pointer who shows "only" the exact hitting point as a help!
You can explain it, design it and repeat it, that they can imagine one or both systems of aiming…?!
Not very easy for every beginner to get it like that!

Well about 2 months ago I suddenly had the Idea to buy in a Do-it-yourself shop a transparent Plastic ball and if I won't find one there to let make one! It just must have the same diameter as the cueball.
Please don't laugh too long, because at least IMO you could place that transparent cueball right behind the object ball on the same line toward pocket and like that you could show for real and explain it much easier where the cueball has to go, for hitting the objectball at the right point, to put it in!

OR WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MY IDEA?

P.S. I hope that most of you did understand good enough my bad and Swiss influenced English, to know what and how I meant it?!

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04-11-2014, 08:02 AM

I was thinking the exact same thing the other day. I think it would be a very beneficial training aid. One thing that I would do is (if its possible) put a neon green ball in the very center (the core) of the cueball, about the size of a cue tip. This way when the ghostball is behind the object ball one can see where contact point of the cue tip should be in relation to the object ball
  
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04-11-2014, 08:29 AM

Those are good ideas....

If it was only to be used as a visual prop, I think this could be done out of acrylic or polyurethane, or clear ABS. Polyurethane would probably be the best choice.

If it was intended to be played with, it could be difficult finding a clear material that also has the same density as regulation ball material does.
  
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04-11-2014, 08:41 AM

Sounds like a good plan. Go for it, I think it would help a lot!


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Those are good ideas....

If it was only to be used as a visual prop, I think this could be done out of acrylic or polyurethane, or clear ABS. Polyurethane would probably be the best choice.

If it was intended to be played with, it could be difficult finding a clear material that also has the same density as regulation ball material does.
NO, I would use it only as a visual help! For showing and explaining. Not to play with it! That's why a plasticball with the same diameter as the cueball, would be already enough...


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04-12-2014, 02:43 PM

Good idea, but the inevitable distortion coming from the "lens effect" of a spherical clear ball might make it unsuitable for the stated purposes.

Try looking through a glass marble or glass rod to get an idea of the problem.


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04-12-2014, 02:58 PM

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Good idea, but the inevitable distortion coming from the "lens effect" of a spherical clear ball might make it unsuitable for the stated purposes.

Try looking through a glass marble or glass rod to get an idea of the problem.
When you're locking trough a transparent ball made of thin acryl, with nothing else than air in the ball, you shouldn''t have that lense effect at all! But even if it would have a little, It wouldn't matter. Because I just need it to show where the cueball has exactly to go, to hit the objectball at the right place, to make it!


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04-12-2014, 03:44 PM

Very good idea, however, I don't think reality would work. Have you ever looked through 2 1/4" thick glass? Now add that it would be a sphere, would get smudged and dirty, has light glare, etc. and I think it wouldn't be feasible. Which is too bad because I think your idea has a great deal of merit.


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04-12-2014, 05:03 PM

I have one in Pool School and it works well for certain things.

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So I wasn't really the first who had that idea to make a touchable Ghostball?! LOL
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Smile So I wasn't really the first who had that idea to make a touchable Ghostball?! LOL - 04-13-2014, 12:48 AM

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I have one in Pool School and it works well for certain things.

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Helo Randy,
So as a Master Instructor what do you think of my Idea? It could be sometimes a visible and touchable help for showing for example how to aim right? I presume that your "Ghostball" has a thin matt surface made of acryl or another synthetic material and it 's completely empty, filled with nothing else than air! Am I right?
It would be very kind of you, to post a picture of that ball together with an objectball and a cueball lying on a table. So that we can see that there isn't that mentioned lens effect or another shinny and disturbing factor!
Thank you very much for your answer.
Kind regards Roberto

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Helo Randy,
So as a Master Instructor what do you think of my Idea? It could be sometimes a visible and touchable help for showing for example how to aim right? I presume that your "Ghostball" has a thin matt surface made of acryl or another synthetic material and it 's completely empty, filled with nothing else than air! Am I right?
It would be very kind of you, to post a picture of that ball together with an objectball and a cueball lying on a table. So that we can see that there isn't that mentioned lens effect or another shinny and disturbing factor!
Thank you very much for your answer.
Kind regards Roberto
Hello my friend.

Our see-through cue ball is the same weight as most cue balls. It has a Red Dot in the core for aiming.

I will see what I can do to get one sent to you.

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Hello my friend.

Our see-through cue ball is the same weight as most cue balls. It has a Red Dot in the core for aiming.

I will see what I can do to get one sent to you.

Your friend in Texas
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Hello again Randy,
That would be of course an imense favour, if you could send me such a transparent ghostball!
Kind regards your Swiss friend Roberto


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B.a.t. - 04-13-2014, 07:27 PM

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To all of you who are already giving or gave some pool lessons to beginners:

When it comes to the theme of aiming right, there are some persons who misinterpreting and some even misunderstanding the 2 most common ways of explaining and showing, how to aim right!

- The "invisible" cueball right behind the object ball, on the same line toward pocket!

- A half ball away right behind the objectball in direction pocket!

Some are even using a laser pointer who shows "only" the exact hitting point as a help!
You can explain it, design it and repeat it, that they can imagine one or both systems of aiming…?!
Not very easy for every beginner to get it like that!

Well about 2 months ago I suddenly had the Idea to buy in a Do-it-yourself shop a transparent Plastic ball and if I won't find one there to let make one! It just must have the same diameter as the cueball.
Please don't laugh too long, because at least IMO you could place that transparent cueball right behind the object ball on the same line toward pocket and like that you could show for real and explain it much easier where the cueball has to go, for hitting the objectball at the right point, to put it in!

OR WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MY IDEA?

P.S. I hope that most of you did understand good enough my bad and Swiss influenced English, to know what and how I meant it?!
Maybe this is what you are looking for?
http://www.dsbat.com/#axzz2yp4YnoTU


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Maybe this is what you are looking for?
http://www.dsbat.com/#axzz2yp4YnoTU
Thank you Big C,
This looks like an entire very sofisticated and very good aiming help.
But it is not what I'm talking about! I go this after noon at a shop and make a picture of what I'm desperatelly trying to describe.
thx anyway

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04-14-2014, 06:40 PM

I found these guys upon a google search:

http://www.abcbilliardplus.com/Pages...liardBalls.htm

It looks like they can make you any set you like, and I would think they already have a clear ball on hand. Their email and phone number is listed. Good luck.
  
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