[oldroller]

I think you are wrong,i have owned a couple of pro 8 table gold crowns that were early models

[jviss]

I'm just going by the Brunswick archives.

[garczar]

Originally Posted by jviss

Only the IV and V were available in 8' Pro:

GCI, II, III: 8 home, 9 pro, 10’
GC IV: 8 pro, 9 pro
GC V: 8 pro, 9 pro
GC VI: 8’, 9’

I found a '78 GC3 brochure that lists the 8ft as having 46x92 surface which is oversize or Pro8. Derrick at Billiard Restoration said all 8ft GC's have that size playfield. Just repeating what i was told.

[jviss]

Originally Posted by garczar

I found a '78 GC3 brochure that lists the 8ft as having 46x92 surface which is oversize or Pro8. Derrick at Billiard Restoration said all 8ft GC's have that size playfield. Just repeating what i was told.

That could well be, I don't doubt there could be contradictory information from Brunswick. For reference, on the GCIII, here's what I am going on, which was published in 1978:

https://brunswick.pastperfectonline....5-188420238567

Physical Description Classification:
Year of ManufactureFrom 1976 To 1997
Style:
Sizes available:

8 Home options (44" x 88" Playfield)
Slate: 3 pc. 1" framedLength (in):105
Width (in):59Weight (lbs):1103
Leg Center Length (in):Leg Center Width (in):

9 Pro options (50" x 100" Playfield)
Slate: 3 pc. 1" framed, 1 1/4" framed BrunstoneLength (in):113
Width (in):63Weight (lbs):1168
Leg Center Length (in):Leg Center Width (in):

10 Foot options (56" x 112" Playfield)
Slate: 3 pc. 1" framedLength (in):125
Width (in):69Weight (lbs):1456
Leg Center Length (in):Leg Center Width (in):

Color Options: Mahogany, Black
Similar to: Gold Crown II, Gold Crown IV
Cushion Rubber: Superspeed for pool and carom tables, L-shaped full molded snooker cushions
Replacement Parts Available:

[jviss]

From the same source, the GCIV is this:

https://brunswick.pastperfectonline....2-654955641092

Physical Description Classification:
Year of ManufactureFrom 1997 To 2008
Style:
Sizes available:

8 Pro options (46" x 92" Playfield)
Slate: 3 pc. 1" framedLength (in):104.33
Width (in):60.33Weight (lbs):1020
Leg Center Length (in):62Leg Center Width (in):30.5

9 Pro options (50" x 100" Playfield)
Slate: 3 pc. 1" framedLength (in):114.33
Width (in):68.33Weight (lbs):1150
Leg Center Length (in):70Leg Center Width (in):34.5

Color Options: Mahogany, Matte Black, Poly Black
Similar to: Gold Crown III
Cushion Rubber: Superspeed
Replacement Parts Available: 2003: All

[jviss]

Here's a catalog screen grab from the 1979/1980 catalog:

[garczar]

Originally Posted by jviss

That could well be, I don't doubt there could be contradictory information from Brunswick. For reference, on the GCIII, here's what I am going on, which was published in 1978:

https://brunswick.pastperfectonline....5-188420238567

Physical Description Classification:
Year of ManufactureFrom 1976 To 1997
Style:
Sizes available:

8 Home options (44" x 88" Playfield)
Slate: 3 pc. 1" framedLength (in):105
Width (in):59Weight (lbs):1103
Leg Center Length (in):Leg Center Width (in):

9 Pro options (50" x 100" Playfield)
Slate: 3 pc. 1" framed, 1 1/4" framed BrunstoneLength (in):113
Width (in):63Weight (lbs):1168
Leg Center Length (in):Leg Center Width (in):

10 Foot options (56" x 112" Playfield)
Slate: 3 pc. 1" framedLength (in):125
Width (in):69Weight (lbs):1456
Leg Center Length (in):Leg Center Width (in):

Color Options: Mahogany, Black
Similar to: Gold Crown II, Gold Crown IV
Cushion Rubber: Superspeed for pool and carom tables, L-shaped full molded snooker cushions
Replacement Parts Available:

Those archives are not always that accurate. You really need to find brochure/catalog . Those usually have correct info. Forget trying to contact Brunswick. IF they get back to you they often have no clue and just say "Well, check the archive". Not much help. They did finally tell me that only the gulley's and pockets on the new GC's are made in the U.S. Rest is outsourced aka China.

[garczar]

Originally Posted by jviss

Here's a catalog screen grab from the 1979/1980 catalog:

Attachment 541640

That doesn't give actual play area. I'm thinking that 4x8 GC's had 46x92 surfaces.

[jviss]

Originally Posted by garczar

Those archives are not always that accurate. You really need to find brochure/catalog . Those usually have correct info. Forget trying to contact Brunswick. IF they get back to you they often have no clue and just say "Well, check the archive". Not much help. They did finally tell me that only the gulley's and pockets on the new GC's are made in the U.S. Rest is outsourced aka China.

The info in the archives is from scans of brochures and catalogs, AFAIK.

[garczar]

Originally Posted by jviss

The info in the archives is from scans of brochures and catalogs, AFAIK.

All i know is i saw a full-color 1978 GC3 brochure that clearly says playfield is 46x92. Billiard Restoration has rebuilt a bunch of these things. Until somebody goes and measures one i'm staying on 46x92 playfield.

[jviss]

Originally Posted by garczar

That doesn't give actual play area. I'm thinking that 4x8 GC's had 46x92 surfaces.

Now you are just being contrary.

The play area for these was in the other information from Brunswick. Check the other stuff I cited:

• the 8' table has a 44" x 88" Playfield;
• the 8' Pro table has a 46" x 92" Playfield.

As far as I can tell from all the available info from Brunswick, what they called an 8' table always had a 44x88" playfield.

[jviss]

Ah, wait! You're right! Check this out: 4x8 table with 46x92" playfield for the Gold Crown II..

[garczar]

Originally Posted by jviss

Now you are just being contrary.

The play area for these was in the other information from Brunswick. Check the other stuff I cited:

• the 8' table has a 44" x 88" Playfield;
• the 8' Pro table has a 46" x 92" Playfield.

As far as I can tell from all the available info from Brunswick, what they called an 8' table always had a 44x88" playfield.

Scroll down to GC3 brochure. Says nothing about "Pro 8", just says 4x8 and gives playing area as 46x92. http://www.billiardsforum.com/pool-t...own-pool-table Believe whatever you want.

[jviss]

Originally Posted by garczar

Scroll down to GC3 brochure. Says nothing about "Pro 8", just says 4x8 and gives playing area as 46x92. http://www.billiardsforum.com/pool-t...own-pool-table Believe whatever you want.

You didn't see my reply before yours.

[garczar]

Originally Posted by jviss

You didn't see my reply before yours.

WTF??? Can you read?? That brochure says NOTHING about Pro8, just 4x8 and the playfield is 46x92. Like i said, believe whatever you makes you happy. I'm going by my own two eyes and what a top restorer told me. I'm done, have fun.