[straightline]

Now THERE'S your hit pool movie.

[magnetardo]

Originally Posted by Biloxi Boy

Off the main subject but bearing directly on the events that may have harmed our sport's reputation. About 30 years ago I began hearing a tale about why Las Vegas did not make book on pool. I heard this story repeated over many years from both pool players and casino insiders. The story involved a dump by the odds on favorite player. A vast number of players, officials, the whole pool world, all had money down on the dump. It ultimately cost the casinos a whole ton money. The upshot was like "fool me once . . ." but Vegas then decided that pool players were not to be trusted under any circumstance so the rule became "never again". Vegas, to this day, does not book pool. Any truth to this urban rumor? If the story is true, what are the details?

David Howard and Buddy Hall dumped to Mike Lebron who a bunch of players had placed big bets at 20-1 odds in the early 90's.

If I remember right they got the casino for $1M.

[PoolBum]

Originally Posted by Biloxi Boy

Off the main subject but bearing directly on the events that may have harmed our sport's reputation. About 30 years ago I began hearing a tale about why Las Vegas did not make book on pool. I heard this story repeated over many years from both pool players and casino insiders. The story involved a dump by the odds on favorite player. A vast number of players, officials, the whole pool world, all had money down on the dump. It ultimately cost the casinos a whole ton money. The upshot was like "fool me once . . ." but Vegas then decided that pool players were not to be trusted under any circumstance so the rule became "never again". Vegas, to this day, does not book pool. Any truth to this urban rumor? If the story is true, what are the details?

Vegas was still booking the Challenge of Champions and setting money odds on the players after 1991 when Mike Lebron won.

[Biloxi Boy]

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=485472

If I had known . . . Apparently, this matter has been discussed on AZB before. I was not sure it was anywhere near true.

[magnetardo]

Originally Posted by PoolBum

Vegas was still booking the Challenge of Champions and setting money odds on the players after 1991 when Mike Lebron won.

The Mirage wasn't.

[Biloxi Boy]

A local sport book employee, who says he worked in Las Vegas for over 20 years, said that he had never heard of a bet on pool and cited "lack of interest". When I related it to him, he had never heard the "dump" story.

At 20-1 you get to a million very quickly.

[PoolBum]

Originally Posted by magnetardo

The Mirage wasn't.

I didn't say they were.

[straightline]

Buncha pool playuhs pull stickup at Vegas casino live to tell about it.

What's wrong with this picture?

[Black-Balled]

Originally Posted by straightline

Buncha pool playuhs pull stickup at Vegas casino live to tell about it.

What's wrong with this picture?

Implying 1m split up by a buncha broke people would cause anything other than the end of further opportunities to do the same?

[lfigueroa]

Originally Posted by Fast Lenny

So who's "certification" would give credibility? Guinness Book of World Records?

Actually, if he had met all the criteria that Guinness spells out for a record to be listed in their book, yes.

Running the tape (who knows at what speed and with how much attention to detail) past two guys at the BCA who, as you put it, "cant run 2 racks of balls" doesn't amount to much of a "certification."

Lou Figueroa

[straightline]

Originally Posted by Black-Balled

Implying 1m split up by a buncha broke people would cause anything other than the end of further opportunities to do the same?

Well lemme tellya how it woiks in da movies...

[lfigueroa]

Originally Posted by Biloxi Boy

Off the main subject but bearing directly on the events that may have harmed our sport's reputation. About 30 years ago I began hearing a tale about why Las Vegas did not make book on pool. I heard this story repeated over many years from both pool players and casino insiders. The story involved a dump by the odds on favorite player. A vast number of players, officials, the whole pool world, all had money down on the dump. It ultimately cost the casinos a whole ton money. The upshot was like "fool me once . . ." but Vegas then decided that pool players were not to be trusted under any circumstance so the rule became "never again". Vegas, to this day, does not book pool. Any truth to this urban rumor? If the story is true, what are the details?

The story is true.

Pool players, even professional pool players, have a long history of doing anything for a buck. And yet, there are those that want to bestow Papal Infallibility to some players and not question the legitimacy of their accomplishments, preferring instead to wring their hands while moaning about appearances in pool.

What a laugh. Freddy the Beard wrote an entire book, "The Encyclopedia of Pool Hustlers" documenting how far some pool players would go for a profitable con.

Lou Figueroa

[haystj]

Originally Posted by lfigueroa

The story is true.

Pool players, even professional pool players, have a long history of doing anything for a buck. And yet, there are those that want to bestow Papal Infallibility to some players and not question the legitimacy of their accomplishments, preferring instead to wring their hands while moaning about appearances in pool.

What a laugh. Freddy the Bread wrote an entire book, "The Encyclopedia of Pool Hustlers" documenting how far some pool players would go for a profitable con.

Lou Figueroa

Ha Ha,,, Freddy the Bread. Good one, that gave me a good chuckle. Guess spell check doesn't know about The Beard.

Papal infallibility might be a bit of a stretch, but JS making all this up to basically make nothing monetarily from the accomplishment,,,, doesn't pass the sniff test to me.

I could see trying something a bit shady to get the inside line on winning lotto numbers, but I think we can all agree that even now running 727 balls won't be a financial windfall.

[Biloxi Boy]

Did the casino book pay or not?

I also read that only 11 bets were placed with a payout of 44K. Why dump a first place prize of 50K for 44K in bets? Can't be the whole story.

[xradarx]

Old news in red:
From May 13, 2011 as follows;
We opened up the booth yesterday afternoon and got real busy.

No good runs. Great location in the middle of the front ballroom.

2 - 9' Diamonds. Both tables have a camera and monitor on them so everyone can see.

I think the high run was 59 - and total of 122 (4 attempts) by Jesse Engle.

More to come - maybe some pics can be posted - it is a good setup.
Mark Griffin

BTW: Bob Jewett pledged $10,000 if anyone ties or beats Mosconi 526. CSI matched it so it stands at $20,000 bonus. Highly unlike;y and maybe next year we can get this up to at least $50,000.

Next year never came for 14.1 hi-run promise of at least 50K$'s.

Eight years later, in 2019, along came the Team of JS/Doug Desmond with high expectations of the $windfall even doubling to maybe about 100K$. This too, never materialized.

This windfall will likely, never arrive in the 14.1 pool world.

Doug Desmond teamed with JS to solicit free playing time at a couple of locations in pursuit of surpassing Mosconi's 526. They seriously miscalculated the monetary gains in hopes of cashing in from a proposed video.

Today, we are where we are!