[Txstang1]

I love diamond bar boxes, but the rails are just stupid. way too "springy". If they didnt have that problem, I dont think they could be improved on.

[nelson]

Originally Posted by realkingcobra

don't make bar boxes

they did MAKE bar boxs

[GoBilliards]

Originally Posted by nelson

they did MAKE bar boxs

Yes they do. Or did? The Brunswick 3000 was a Bar box with giant pockets and a battery driven system for the cue ball. The system was terrible and the parts were expensive to fix. They needed fixing regularly. Most of them that are still around have a big ball on them because they got tired of spending the money on repairs. They were the first to design a moving track for the cue ball. Diamond improved on it of course.

[realkingcobra]

Originally Posted by nelson

they did MAKE bar boxs

Everything Brunswick has done in the bar table industry has failed, and since Brunswick sold the Valley company...they no longer have anything to do with building them.

[realkingcobra]

Originally Posted by GoBilliards

Yes they do. Or did? The Brunswick 3000 was a Bar box with giant pockets and a battery driven system for the cue ball. The system was terrible and the parts were expensive to fix. They needed fixing regularly. Most of them that are still around have a big ball on them because they got tired of spending the money on repairs. They were the first to design a moving track for the cue ball. Diamond improved on it of course.

You're talking about the Gold Crown 2000 coin-op, back in the early 1990's which separated the cue ball with the blue dot color recognition sensor, which failed within 6 months, then was forced to go back to the over-sized cue ball in order to return it. Nothing in this design table is like a Diamond coin-op.

[franko]

Originally Posted by realkingcobra

Diamond, hands down

I have owned 4 tables my current table is a Dymondwood Blue Label, it is head and shoulders above the rest.Most of the rooms in my area had Brunswicks both Gold Crowns and Anniversary's they did not compare to the Diamond.

[joyren]

just want to ask if there is still BN Brunswick tables around, heard that the company is shutting down? dont know if it is true?

[GoldCrown]

Originally Posted by Noles20

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/spo/3258389890.html

What are the general thoughts on Fischer tables? Are they well built?

My friend has one. My .02 is it's junk.

[putt-putt44]

Originally Posted by realkingcobra

Diamond, hands down

Glen,,,

How does the Diamond compare to the steel framed tables such as Kim Steel or Gabriels in your opinion ??

Thanks,,,,,,,,,,,Alan,,,,,

[realkingcobra]

Originally Posted by putt-putt44

Glen,,,

How does the Diamond compare to the steel framed tables such as Kim Steel or Gabriels in your opinion ??

Thanks,,,,,,,,,,,Alan,,,,,

lets put it this way, i'd pass on owning either one of them as an option to owning a diamond, to many reasons to list.

[putt-putt44]

Originally Posted by realkingcobra

lets put it this way, i'd pass on owning either one of them as an option to owning a diamond, to many reasons to list.

Wow,,,,

Great to know,,,,,,

Thanks Glen,,,,,Alan,,,,,,

[realkingcobra]

Originally Posted by putt-putt44

Glen,,,

How does the Diamond compare to the steel framed tables such as Kim Steel or Gabriels in your opinion ??

Thanks,,,,,,,,,,,Alan,,,,,

I don't knock anyone that already owns one, but Gabriels has way to much MDF built into them, rail skirts, leg pedestals, paint chips off, steel frame or not, they still have frame sag, try correcting it and the rail bolts pull the slate down between levelers, ...uugh

Kim's...alumimum rails, staple channels to staple the cloth to, steel frame, still sags, no resale value with either table...uugh!

[putt-putt44]

Originally Posted by realkingcobra

I don't knock anyone that already owns one, but Gabriels has way to much MDF built into them, rail skirts, leg pedistals, paint chips off, steel frame or not, they still have frame sag, try correcting it and the rail bolts pull the slate down between levelers, ...uugh

Kim's...alumimum rails, staple channels to staple the cloth to, steel frame, still sags, no resale value with either table...uugh!

Glen,,,,

Good to know and thanks again,,,,but what's MDF ??

Alan,,,,,

[realkingcobra]

Originally Posted by putt-putt44

Glen,,,,

Good to know and thanks again,,,,but what's MDF ??

Alan,,,,,

MDF= medium density fiber board...meaning particle board, only with smaller wood particles, same thing most table manufactures line to bottoms of the slate with to staple the cloth to, only after about 5 recoveries it blows apart and won't hold staples anymore.

[putt-putt44]

Originally Posted by realkingcobra

MDF= medium density fiber board...meaning particle board, only with smaller wood particles, same thing most table manufactures line to bottoms of the slate with to staple the cloth to, only after about 5 recoveries it blows apart and won't hold staples anymore.

Hey Glen,,,,

Thanks,,,,never too old to learn something new,,,,

One day Glen,,,you should write a book on your experiences on the road ''CobraZizing'' tables and all the trials and tribulations you've had come your way,,,,,,

You gotta have some great stories,,,,,,,!!

Thanks again for the wonderful insight,,,,,,,,!!

Alan,,,,,,,,,,