[mchnhed]

City’s really do not like Pool Halls.

Friends, lemme tell you what I mean.
Ya got one, two, three, four, five, six pockets in a table.
Pockets that mark the diff'rence
Between a gentlemen and a b__,
With a capital "B,"
And that rhymes with "P" and that stands for pool!
And all week long your River City
Youth'll be frittern away,
I say your young men'll be frittern!
Frittern away their noontime, suppertime, choretime too!
Get the ball in the pocket,
Never mind gittin' Dandelions pulled
Or the screen door patched or the beefsteak pounded.
Never mind pumpin' any water
'Til your parents are caught with the Cistern empty
On a Saturday night and that's trouble,
Oh, yes we got lots and lots a' trouble.
I'm thinkin' of the kids in the knickerbockers,
Shirt-tail young ones, peekin' in the pool
Hall window after school, look, folks!
Right here in River City.
Trouble with a capital "T"
And that rhymes with "P" and that stands for pool!

[garczar]

Originally Posted by mchnhed

City’s really do not like Pool Halls.

Friends, lemme tell you what I mean.
Ya got one, two, three, four, five, six pockets in a table.
Pockets that mark the diff'rence
Between a gentlemen and a b__,
With a capital "B,"
And that rhymes with "P" and that stands for pool!
And all week long your River City
Youth'll be frittern away,
I say your young men'll be frittern!
Frittern away their noontime, suppertime, choretime too!
Get the ball in the pocket,
Never mind gittin' Dandelions pulled
Or the screen door patched or the beefsteak pounded.
Never mind pumpin' any water
'Til your parents are caught with the Cistern empty
On a Saturday night and that's trouble,
Oh, yes we got lots and lots a' trouble.
I'm thinkin' of the kids in the knickerbockers,
Shirt-tail young ones, peekin' in the pool
Hall window after school, look, folks!
Right here in River City.
Trouble with a capital "T"
And that rhymes with "P" and that stands for pool!

And the purpose of this thread IS????? Burnin' bandwidth maybe??

[mchnhed]

No.....just commenting on his troubles getting his city to allow him to operate a Pool Hall.

BTW....you burnt up just as much bandwidth by quoting what I wrote instead of just replying!

[Texas Carom Club]

Originally Posted by garczar

And the purpose of this thread IS????? Burnin' bandwidth maybe??

Yea this guy is just off the damn charts

[Positively Ralf]

An update for anyone who is curious.

I may end up going forward with the idea of not having alcohol. The reason I am contemplating this is because I figured if I'm going to have arcade machines and a separate room for esports events, it should balance out the loss of liquor/beer sales.

My buddies who run their esports organization get on average almost 30-40 players for a Saturday tournament and they can also use it for weekly meet ups. add in that I'm close enough to NYC where there is a big pinball scene and that's another community I can have in my backpocket for revenue.

as for drinks and snacks, I will do what yestercades in new jersey does, mainly vending machines with sodas and snackbars available.

as for location, I may have to end up doing a second floor kind of spot. from my understanding, those tend to pay less rent because of whatever reasons people think. I think I've seen the "not front and center" reason being used.

Anyways, let's see how it goes. Maybe my town will look at it as a fun center more now than a place where vandals get together.

[dug1903]

Consider a carom table. There are tons of players with no place to play. Took almost 2 years of convincing our local hall to put one in. It's played on constantly.

[garczar]

Originally Posted by mchnhed

No.....just commenting on his troubles getting his city to allow him to operate a Pool Hall.

BTW....you burnt up just as much bandwidth by quoting what I wrote instead of just replying!

Welcome to "Ignore" moron.

[ibuycues]

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[Positively Ralf]

Ok, got some info that I feel the need to share. So Westchester county rents are just too high and the districts, towns and villages gave me a hard time. Enter the Bronx.

I was with a friend the other day in a very crappy section of the Bronx. 4 train, 145th or so to be exact. There used to be a hall there called Remy's Bar and Billiards. It was more of a night club than an actual pool hall. A real estate company is advertising the space which still has all 32 tables, full kitchen and full bar. I guess the owner of the business got kicked out by the landlord because the owner lost his liquor license and could not keep up with the rent. Anyways, I call up. The place is about 13,000 SQ. The neighborhood is seedy, crappy, shitty whatever word you want to say. The locals aren't exactly the best it has to offer but they are there so security is going to be a big thing. Easy access to the train which means many of the big tri state tours/leagues can have another home to come play at.

Landlord wants $16,000 a month. Is that even reasonable in this current situation we are in? I'd figure I would at least get rid of 12-15 tables to make space for some vending machines, pinball machines and dart machines. Make enough space for at least 4 7-footers for APA play and just go the plain jane fries and wings food and only a beer/wine license. I literally would be ditching the last business plan, which was a night club and making this into a full pool hall/game center. But again, is $16,000 too much considering the neighborhood and current virus situation we are in?

Let me know what you guys think.

[336Robin]

Opening a room right now is not a good idea. You get covid and you're done.

Originally Posted by Positively Ralf

Ok, got some info that I feel the need to share. So Westchester county rents are just too high and the districts, towns and villages gave me a hard time. Enter the Bronx.

I was with a friend the other day in a very crappy section of the Bronx. 4 train, 145th or so to be exact. There used to be a hall there called Remy's Bar and Billiards. It was more of a night club than an actual pool hall. A real estate company is advertising the space which still has all 32 tables, full kitchen and full bar. I guess the owner of the business got kicked out by the landlord because the owner lost his liquor license and could not keep up with the rent. Anyways, I call up. The place is about 13,000 SQ. The neighborhood is seedy, crappy, shitty whatever word you want to say. The locals aren't exactly the best it has to offer but they are there so security is going to be a big thing. Easy access to the train which means many of the big tri state tours/leagues can have another home to come play at.

Landlord wants $16,000 a month. Is that even reasonable in this current situation we are in? I'd figure I would at least get rid of 12-15 tables to make space for some vending machines, pinball machines and dart machines. Make enough space for at least 4 7-footers for APA play and just go the plain jane fries and wings food and only a beer/wine license. I literally would be ditching the last business plan, which was a night club and making this into a full pool hall/game center. But again, is $16,000 too much considering the neighborhood and current virus situation we are in?

Let me know what you guys think.

[CocoboloCowboy]

Opening a Pool Room could be your Dream, hire a business consultant with experence in the industry to help you. The cost of the consultation, could be saving you more money, if you do not understand the dollars & sense of a Pool Room.

[hankr123]

I'm not a room proprietor, however, I've been to 1 or two pool lobbies that had a different space for private occasions. I don't think they were scarcely ever leased. You could do something very similar in your ordinary space and guarantee a birthday celebration gathering or work bunch a couple of tables altogether. Along these lines, you save money on the workout, and when it's occupied, you can use the entirety of your tables all the more without any problem.

[SlateMan]

Originally Posted by Positively Ralf

Ok, got some info that I feel the need to share. So Westchester county rents are just too high and the districts, towns and villages gave me a hard time. Enter the Bronx.

I was with a friend the other day in a very crappy section of the Bronx. 4 train, 145th or so to be exact. There used to be a hall there called Remy's Bar and Billiards. It was more of a night club than an actual pool hall. A real estate company is advertising the space which still has all 32 tables, full kitchen and full bar. I guess the owner of the business got kicked out by the landlord because the owner lost his liquor license and could not keep up with the rent. Anyways, I call up. The place is about 13,000 SQ. The neighborhood is seedy, crappy, shitty whatever word you want to say. The locals aren't exactly the best it has to offer but they are there so security is going to be a big thing. Easy access to the train which means many of the big tri state tours/leagues can have another home to come play at.

Landlord wants $16,000 a month. Is that even reasonable in this current situation we are in? I'd figure I would at least get rid of 12-15 tables to make space for some vending machines, pinball machines and dart machines. Make enough space for at least 4 7-footers for APA play and just go the plain jane fries and wings food and only a beer/wine license. I literally would be ditching the last business plan, which was a night club and making this into a full pool hall/game center. But again, is $16,000 too much considering the neighborhood and current virus situation we are in?

Let me know what you guys think.

I'm not an owner of an establishment but I have some financial expertise. You need to run the numbers. If you were at 100% capacity every day, where would you be on paying the rent? Now back that down to a realistic range of operation and how busy you think you will be each night. For instance, if you have leagues, will you charge them by the hour? If the place if full of league players 3-4 nights a week, you better have other revenue streams (food, drink, etc.).

Open a spreadsheet program and do some modeling. Put in some sensitivity analysis. Run a worst case scenario (COVID shutdown for 3 months).

Most important, you need to have the time to be there. Understand your business and the numbers or you will be robbed blind....

[Fiona4]

Originally Posted by hankr123

I'm not a room proprietor, however, I've been to 1 or two pool lobbies that had a different space for private occasions. I don't think they were scarcely ever leased. You could plnkgame.com do something very similar in your ordinary space and guarantee a birthday celebration gathering or work bunch a couple of tables altogether. Along these lines, you save money on the workout, and when it's occupied, you can use the entirety of your tables all the more without any problem.

Considering opening a Pool Room could be your dream, it's wise to consider hiring a business consultant with experience in the industry to assist you. The cost of this consultation could potentially save you more money in the long run, especially if you're not well-versed in the financial aspects of running a Pool Room.