[BilliardsAbout]

Originally Posted by evergruven

I've half-wondered about this..

so (back when I was shooting pool- thanks pandemic)
my psr was/is basically this:
-look at the shot from all angles I feel is necessary
sometimes I walk around the table, sometimes not
-breathe and take care of my cue, chalk etc.
-get down on the shot
sometimes I stay down in that place
often I move around, shuffle my feet, etc.
until I feel comfortable
and I suppose that's the point for me
I do whatever I need to do to feel comfy with the shot
-and then I shoot

I don't necessarily see anything wrong with this
but there is obviously consistency lacking in the details
curious what you all think?

Since pros step in without a shuffle, I would ask what aim technique you are using and where you place your head, eyes and feet when assessing the shot from the erect position, before you step into the stance.

A consistent aim rubric and head position will help you find your comfortable stance. In general, right-handed players can then move their right foot to bring their vision center over the line of choice.

[Patrick Johnson]

Originally Posted by DrCue'sProtege

Makes no sense - none at all - to look at the OB last.

Apparently lots of things that are common wisdom and practice "make no sense" to you.

Given your extensive knowledge and expertise (demonstrated here daily), it must be everybody else that's wrong...

pj
chgo

[evergruven]

Originally Posted by Big C

Learning to quiet my thoughts, breathing deeply and focusing on what I am trying to do has been paramount. I treat every shot with the same respect and due diligence. You strengthen that which you focus on.

7. Step into the shot and place my bridge hand on the aim line. I am trying to be careful to keep my eyes, bridge and cue on the line. If everything looks good I fall into full stance.

12. Stand and analyze the result. Nothing good/bad. Just stay calm/composed.

As I said in the beginning, I learn a lot from others. Trial and error is also a great teacher. Keep working at it and good luck with your process. Most of all have fun.

hey big C
my favorite parts- good stuff!
thanks for the shout~

[evergruven]

Originally Posted by BilliardsAbout

Since pros step in without a shuffle, I would ask what aim technique you are using and where you place your head, eyes and feet when assessing the shot from the erect position, before you step into the stance.

A consistent aim rubric and head position will help you find your comfortable stance. In general, right-handed players can then move their right foot to bring their vision center over the line of choice.

thanks
I don't use any specific technique that I know of
I figure I was born with some sense, and found a bit more along the way
still a long way to go, but
spending time shooting, spending time here, and thinking, watching
being conscious of the way balls and table react, how spin works, etc.
has helped a lot

good footwork helps to shoot good stick
sounds like we agree there

[DrCue'sProtege]

Originally Posted by Patrick Johnson

Apparently lots of things that are common wisdom and practice "make no sense" to you.

Such as????????

Give me some examples?

Or are you just jumping on some other posters/idiots bandwagons?

r/DCP

[Patrick Johnson]

Originally Posted by DrCue'sProtege

...are you just jumping on some other posters/idiots bandwagons?

With all the idiot posters here spewing nonsense I’m surprised you (a person of obviously keen insight and judgment) keep coming back.

pj
chgo

[evergruven]

Originally Posted by DrCue'sProtege

Such as????????

Give me some examples?

Or are you just jumping on some other posters/idiots bandwagons?

r/DCP

sigh
pat can speak for himself, but you just said
"Makes no sense - none at all - to look at the OB last."
how could you possibly rationalize that
when the majority of pro players evidently look at the ob last
watch their eyes- I'm not making this up
so, that being the case- do you really think that there's no sense to it?
ps this is coming from a guy who often plays cb last..

sean <<--- is skeptical, not delusional

[DrCue'sProtege]

Originally Posted by evergruven

sigh
pat can speak for himself, but you just said
"Makes no sense - none at all - to look at the OB last."
how could you possibly rationalize that
when the majority of pro players evidently look at the ob last
watch their eyes- I'm not making this up
so, that being the case- do you really think that there's no sense to it?
ps this is coming from a guy who often plays cb last..

sean <<--- is skeptical, but not delusional

That is one (1) - ONE - thing. And you said "MAJORITY" - not 100% of ALL pro players.

So, PJ said "LOTS" of things. The CB last is one. What are all the others if there are lots of things???

[evergruven]

Originally Posted by DrCue'sProtege

That is one (1) - ONE - thing. And you said "MAJORITY" - not 100% of ALL pro players.

So, PJ said "LOTS" of things. The CB last is one. What are all the others if there are lots of things???

and you said "Makes no sense - none at all - to look at the OB last."
would you care to clarify your statement
or do you want to continue playing the "ask the instructor" shell game?

[Tony_in_MD]

Well this is one idiot/poster who will never respond to your threads again.

Originally Posted by DrCue'sProtege

Such as????????

Give me some examples?

Or are you just jumping on some other posters/idiots bandwagons?

r/DCP

[Patrick Johnson]

Originally Posted by DrCue'sProtege

PJ said "LOTS" of things. The CB last is one. What are all the others if there are lots of things???

Does 75% = "LOTS"?

Originally Posted by DrCue'sProtege

75% of the instruction on AZB isnt worth much

If you mean it's wasted on you, I agree.

pj
chgo

[FranCrimi]

Originally Posted by Big C

I watch and learn from matches on youtube and also instructional videos. I take away from them what I like and try to make it work. I also learned a lot from Randy G's pool school back in 2007. I play golf as well and I also work on my pre-shot routine. Both sports are very much the same. Learning to quiet my thoughts, breathing deeply and focusing on what I am trying to do has been paramount. I treat every shot with the same respect and due diligence. You strengthen that which you focus on.

THINKING/ANALYZING:
1. Check the angle of the shot.
2. Look ahead at the next 2 balls to see how to get position.
3. Decide where my cue ball should end up.(Speed/spin)
4. Walk around and visualize the shot and the path of the cue ball.

PREPARATION:
5. Determine aim line by standing behind the shot. Most of my weight is on my right foot and my body is turned. I do this by holding my cue in my shooting hand at the balance point. I let the cue hang so that it is level and I use my feet/body to line up the cue to the aim line.
6. Visualize the shot and warm up strokes so I can feel the cue action that I want to use.

EXECUTE THE SHOT:
7. Step into the shot and place my bridge hand on the aim line. I am trying to be careful to keep my eyes, bridge and cue on the line. If everything looks good I fall into full stance.
8. Address the cue ball before taking warm up strokes. I point the cue tip where I want to strike the cue ball. Open bridge for most shots. Closed bridge for long draw shots and the break.
9. Take warm up strokes. Not too many. Just a few to get the feel and make sure my tip is going to the spot I am trying to hit on the cue ball. During back strokes I am looking at the spot on the cue ball. I look up at the object ball on the forward stroke. Only sometimes do I look at the cue ball last. The break, jump shots and rail shots. Also on very close CB/OB shots and bridging over balls.
10. I am ready. Pull the cue back smoothly, pause and bring my back hand to my chest. The forward stroke is accelerating. Not a jab or a punch. Those are for jump and curve shots.
11. Pause while checking to see what happens and where my tip stops.
12. Stand and analyze the result. Nothing good/bad. Just stay calm/composed.

I know that seems like a lot, but it usually only takes less than a minute. As I said in the beginning, I learn a lot from others. Trial and error is also a great teacher. Keep working at it and good luck with your process. Most of all have fun.
I am not a certified teacher, but I will gladly try to help anyone if requested.

In theory, this is good, and for certain shots, it's necessary. But the ebb and flow of moving around and shooting during a player's inning depends on a lot of factors. For example: Sometimes you have to think 4 shots ahead and not 2 in order to work out a particular situation at the table. Once you've decided, and you succeed with the first shot, you don't have to stop and think about two shots ahead on the next shot because you already know. The same goes for simple, straight-forward types of shots. Not that you should get sloppy, but you won't need 45 seconds or even 30 seconds to shoot a straight-in 2 foot stun shot. This is how you develop your rhythm around the table --- sometimes you will move a little quicker and other times, slower. Taking 30 or 45 seconds for every shot isn't necessary and will also drag a match down time-wise, not to mention, turn you into a slow player.

[FranCrimi]

Originally Posted by evergruven

sigh
pat can speak for himself, but you just said
"Makes no sense - none at all - to look at the OB last."
how could you possibly rationalize that
when the majority of pro players evidently look at the ob last
watch their eyes- I'm not making this up
so, that being the case- do you really think that there's no sense to it?
ps this is coming from a guy who often plays cb last..

sean <<--- is skeptical, not delusional

What professional players look at the cb last? I can't think of one.

[blehnhard]

Fran, was you last post a spell error? I interpret that as they look at the CB last. Correct?

Thanks, Bruce

[FranCrimi]

Originally Posted by blehnhard

Fran, was you last post a spell error? I interpret that as they look at the CB last. Correct?

Thanks, Bruce

Yes! Thank you. I just went back and fixed it.